N3O Age Of Empires and Starcraft 2 Clan

Well japan is pretty good but from what I've read from pros:

Iro, India and Otto all beat Japan, and Japan breaks about even vs Azzie and China. GS eventually made this list:

Tier 1
Iro, India, Otto

Tier 2
Japan, Aztec, China, Sioux

Tier 3
British, France, Germany

Tier 4
Dutch, Russia

Tier 5,
Ports, Spain

With Japan being a bit too good maybe for tier 2, and Germany not quite good enough for tier 3 because he says they lose to france/british but beat Dutch/Russia.

this for 1v1 or team ?

That one is 1v1. Team is a lot tougher to say imo because certain units combo well with others and some just dont.

also late game eco too.

They keep forgetting that WCG was Jap spam. Jap is number 1, period.

Sporting_Lisbon wrote: They keep forgetting that WCG was Jap spam. Jap is number 1, period.

RE 1.03 is not the same as ES 1.01a^^

Aaryn_GenD wrote:

Sporting_Lisbon wrote: They keep forgetting that WCG was Jap spam. Jap is number 1, period.

RE 1.03 is not the same as ES 1.01a^^

hmm you're right, there are a few differences. However I had the idea that they weren't nerfed enough

Heyco wrote:

Nybegynderen1 wrote:
wth?  Why are India and iro so OP? Omg i've never seen anything OP in them except Agra fort rush?

10/10 is really OP... and to mention just some other OP stuff:
- Sepoys, Gurkhas, Sowars and Zamburak at age 2! Oh, and I forgot Flails... :S
- Howdah OP! Just a pity you can't mass them :S 21
- Mahout take out light inf so easily. Exception: OP Yumis in mass... 21
- Otto consulate! Bombards so OP... <3 Especially in combination with Howdahs. 21
- No vill cards, but you get 1 vill with each shipment...
- Urumi

The only thing I hate about India is the long training time for units...

KK i see. But wth is 10/10?? :-S

Nybegynderen1 wrote:

Heyco wrote:

Nybegynderen1 wrote:
wth?  Why are India and iro so OP? Omg i've never seen anything OP in them except Agra fort rush?

10/10 is really OP... and to mention just some other OP stuff:
- Sepoys, Gurkhas, Sowars and Zamburak at age 2! Oh, and I forgot Flails... :S
- Howdah OP! Just a pity you can't mass them :S 21
- Mahout take out light inf so easily. Exception: OP Yumis in mass... 21
- Otto consulate! Bombards so OP... <3 Especially in combination with Howdahs. 21
- No vill cards, but you get 1 vill with each shipment...
- Urumi

The only thing I hate about India is the long training time for units...

KK i see. But wth is 10/10?? :-S

Heyco's list isn't very accurate. 10/10 is when you age up early by building no house and just queuing vills until you're full popped, that's why it is called 10/10.

Problem with India is that they have a great eco from their wood trickle cards, a great effective and simple rush (10/10 age up, forward Agra fort, mass sepoys and ship 4 sowars), a very efficient army (zams beat cavalry too well, ghurkas are efficient anti-HI and sepoys are just too good for their price and pop). In fortress age they also have urumis which are hard to beat because they're melee infantry that beats ranged infantry.

That was better Ty

zams lose to cav.

joe4holly wrote: zams lose to cav.

There is this special technique that only the Shaolin masters can use: hit n run :p All my Iro vs India matchups were pretty much ruined when India started adding zams.

I would put French in middle and Chinese replacing the French if you ate playing as a team, Chinese are early attackers as the Russians, but stronger and faster aging. For me the strongest civilization overall are the Japanese and maybe the Indians or Aztecs in 2nd place.